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greeting citizens and welcome to unknown

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I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with mr.

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Shane herd and mr. Ryan Sprague thanks

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so much for hanging out with us today

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we'll be briefly discussing the recently

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announced TV series coming from to the

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stars in history but first Shane if you

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wouldn't mind tell us about the event

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you attended last week to celebrate the

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22nd anniversary of the famous Phoenix

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lights UFO incident yeah that was great

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I had been to it before but not for the

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last two years okay and I think what was

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notably different they had on like a you

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know extra large theater I think it held

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like 300 people but so many came they

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had opened another theater and they

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played like the movie portion in both

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places yeah but in addition they had

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like a panel of 10 people there after

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that they did in the main theater and

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you know it was it was you know really

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well done and I mean a little chaotic

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but just because there were so many

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people but I mean it just never ceases

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to amaze me how much attention that case

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still gets and so many people that's a

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good problem to have

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and yeah it's a good point Matt 22 years

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later and this thing is still you know

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it still generates interest it still has

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a crowd of people who want to know more

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still want to talk about it as they

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should because it's this mass sighting

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that still doesn't explain and we still

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have so many questions about it but

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thousands of people were a part of this

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thing so you know I keep wondering how

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long Lin is going to keep doing this

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event but you know like you you just

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said it's an in-demand event people want

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to go to something like this they want

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to celebrate the anniversary of this

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incredible event from UFO history yeah

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and in addition you know new reports are

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still coming and believe it or not they

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had a couple of new witnesses and and

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they they produce this video that was

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like the most forensic ly accurate

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representation you know of the craft and

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you know they did some slick stuff there

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so there was an another little move

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along with it it was really well done it

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was from a gentleman who had seen it in

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Prescott Valley yes and I it was it was

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well done and and so interesting so yeah

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that's crazy huh that's really cool and

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I'm so glad that you know so many people

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turned out for this event that they

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spilled into a second theater that's

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awesome mm-hmm

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yeah interest is still there I know

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whenever I talk to anyone who finds out

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that I researched UFOs they're always

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like what is that thing that happened in

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Phoenix that's like it's one of those

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things it's like Roswell and and maybe

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Rendlesham if you're European but yeah

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it's always on it's always in the

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zeitgeist and that's so awesome that

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more and more people are showing up for

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that gene yep I loved it it was good so

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Maureen and I spoke at Emerald City

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Comicon in Seattle last weekend and that

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was so much fun and you know this is

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something we've done a lot speaking at

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these pop culture events and I love it

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so much I really do I love the

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audience's you turn out to panels and

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lectures and discussions on our weird

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strange topics related to UFOs at these

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things because they're just they're so

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interested in these topics many of them

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have personal experiences or personal

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reasons for for having that curiosity

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and wanting to hear more about it but

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they just have this genuine interest in

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the topic they are very attentive during

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the presentation and then always want to

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know more want to want to talk and

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discuss the topic more afterwards so

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there's always never enough time you

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know allocated to these things because

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you have your hour or so to deliver the

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presentation and then people immediately

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after want to talk to you and you have

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to sort of say hey I'm sorry I would

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love to hear what you have to say but

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they're kicking us out now because

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there's another panel that has to come

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in but we were in the fortunate in

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unusual situation this time this hasn't

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happened before to where we were the

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final presentation on Friday night at

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Emerald City Comicon

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and so and it was you know fairly early

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- it's kind of like it seemed odd we

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didn't know if it was gonna be a good

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time or a bad time because this was you

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know my first time in everyone City

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Comic Con I didn't know how how they

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worked how their their programming

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operated so I mean typically at an event

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I would think that like something that's

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happening at you know the six or seven

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o'clock hour on Friday is a pretty sweet

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spot because you know with Comic Cons

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people the hardcore people going to a

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Comic Con are gonna get there multi-day

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pass and be there for the entire thing

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but then like your locals and just

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everybody else they have to work and

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they're not necessarily going to take a

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day off work to go to Comic Con so when

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the evening rolls around and they get

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off work that's when they'll go and

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check out the event so you know Friday

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after work that's really when the fun

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starts and then of course they'll be

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there all day Saturday and into Sunday

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too sometimes but Friday Friday evening

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the place was packed and you know again

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a UFO event at a Comic Con with standing

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room only and that makes me so excited

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when I see that it's amazing you know

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it's it's a little sort of I get a

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little nervous at first within a while

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now the awesomeness outweighs the

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nervousness this is so cool so people

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are sitting there willing to stand and

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listen to you talk about UFOs it's just

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so much fun man I mean you and I saw it

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alien Kanye just eat sheer amount of

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younger people showing up to these

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things now like integrating that

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comic-con feel and atmosphere

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people are like oh you're doing the hey

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Lincoln that's like that's not serious

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and like actually if you go to a lot of

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the talks and lectures at these things

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they're by highly intelligent people you

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know outside of the UFO field so yeah I

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think it's great that that these things

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are filling up it's it's it's the time

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for UFOs again and it was it's fun

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because you have like in these crowds of

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course you have you know a handful of

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people in the audience who will be

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familiar with the cases or the people or

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the you know topics you're discussing

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this is all new to them or they've just

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kind of casually heard about some of

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these things so it's all new and

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exciting but it's fun in this energetic

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sort of atmosphere where you'll mention

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something that like one person and the

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audience either has heard of or as

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familiar with and they'll just let out a

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big yeah to acknowledge like hey they're

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talking about something I know about it

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so I mean right we talked about like

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Rendlesham and you know what the very

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mention of Rendlesham we had one guy in

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the back of whoo some guy in the house

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yeah that's always fun I just I just

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always fascinating to hear what what

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names what topics what cases are going

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to elicit that those types of responses

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it's fun yeah I was thinking too that

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you know I'm kind of worried hardcore

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ethology and the fact that it's a lot

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older people you know when is this gonna

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turn over and interest a lot of younger

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ones so maybe this is you know this is a

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path you you know you have this energy

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and this fun spin on it plus you know

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people aren't already jaded and so it

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not only fun to be there and do it fun

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to speak at that but you know it gives

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me a little hope that you know we're

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gonna continue this whole ufology thing

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and get some young people involved so I

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don't think it's a bad thing mixing them

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up a little bit with fun with the whole

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evening con thing yeah and I think you

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make a good point there Shane but I will

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in defensive of our old old friends in

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the field it was funny at alien Con one

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of the most energetic and interested

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guys Ryan hat Ryan and I had in one of

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our panels was this really old guy who

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was like sitting up front and we were

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talking about like young people and it's

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great to see so many young people in

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here and as you know we need to get our

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young people involved in the research

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and had to make the step back and make

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that statement and say you know that's

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nothing against the the old people we

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love the old people

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yeah yeah yeah we're still out there

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yeah I just think of it in terms of

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passing the torch you know so that that

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the word carries on totally man and I

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mean even Jason you and I were no spring

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chickens anymore either yo so I mean

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when you see like teenagers and

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twenty-somethings coming to these things

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and talking about this stuff there are a

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hell of a lot smarter than I get I ever

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gave them credit for you know maybe it

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is because I'm getting a little older

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and I'm like thinking oh they're not

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looking into UFOs but then they're you

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know they're right there with us you

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know they knew who repelled was they

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knew what you know the conduct committee

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was you know all these all these buzz

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words we use in ufology a lot of them

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knew what we were talking about I

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remember at Pasadena alien con dislike

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12 year old kid got up and he knew about

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you know like Truman wanting to look

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into UFOs which is crazy wow that's

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awesome do you know about it we just

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were like slack-jawed when this kid got

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up to the mic and was like schooling us

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on UFOs it was awesome it's really cool

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to see and I do think a lot of it has to

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do with just the pervasiveness of this

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you know in with technology social media

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it's all over the place but also you

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know regardless of how you feel about

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this show itself ancient aliens has had

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a tremendous effect on the younger

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generation you know I've always assumed

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that this is a show that specifically

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caters to the older demographic but go

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to an alien con just saying go to neon

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and you will get an entirely different

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picture painted for you about the

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demographic of this show this show has

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reached so many millions of people and

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alien con shows you that it's incredible

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that that show has had such an impact on

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people's lives and done an incredible

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job whether or not the information is

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good information or not that's another

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discussion but you know it is putting

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this information in front of mass amount

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people

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you know they're just eating it up they

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love it and they want more and history's

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certainly going along for that ride so

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let's get into our discussion about the

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new show coming from to the Stars and

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history we just heard about this on

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Tuesday March 12 history sent out a

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press release announcing a new

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nonfiction UFO series titled

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unidentified inside America's UFO

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investigation so this show is going to

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be a six-part series and it's a product

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of two the stars Academy of Arts and

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Science or T TSA for short we talked

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about t TSA on this show with some

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frequency these days but for those of

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you who haven't heard of T TSA this is a

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group of former government and military

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personnel and scientists on a mission

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essentially to explore exotic science

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and materials with the ultimate purpose

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of changing the world the show will

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reportedly feature Tom DeLonge who is

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the co-founder and current president of

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T TSA Chris Mellon is a former Deputy

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Assistant Secretary of Defense and

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intelligence and Lewis Elizondo who

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we've heard a lot about these days and

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he headed the Pentagon's recently

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revealed advanced aerospace threat

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identification program well here's how

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history describes this series DeLonge

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Elizondo mellon and a trustworthy

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connected team of investigators that

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includes retired program director for

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advanced systems at lockheed martin

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skunk works and the aerospace division

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director for the to the stars academy

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steve justice renowned CIA researcher

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and quantum physicist and vice president

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of science and technology at you the

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stars academy helped put off and retired

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senior intelligence service member of

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the Central Intelligence Agency and vice

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president of operation at to the stars

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jimsim a van will break boundaries and

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perceived government taboo by disclosing

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information about efforts being made to

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change government policy surrounding

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these phenomena as well as produced

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tangible evidence to build the most

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indisputable case for the existence

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and threats of UFOs ever assembled

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unidentified inside America's UFO

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investigation will reveal newly

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authenticated evidence and footage

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interviews from eyewitnesses and former

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military personnel who have never spoken

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out before and in extensive

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breakthroughs in understanding the

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technology behind these unknown

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phenomena in our skies so Tom DeLonge in

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the press release states with this show

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the real conversation can finally begin

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I'm thankful to history for giving to

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the Stars Academy team of world-class

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scientists engineers and intelligence

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experts the opportunity to tell the

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story in a comprehensive and compelling

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way

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I think everyone that watches the show

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will walk away with questions answered

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and a feeling of wow I get it now

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unidentified insight America's UFO

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investigation will reportedly quote

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expose a series of startling encounters

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and embark on fascinating new

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investigations that will urge the public

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to ask questions and look for answers

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and quote so really all we know about

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when the show is coming is sometime in

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May there is no official release date

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and you know May is right around the

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corner so they'll need to figure that

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out soon but I even reached out to the

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publicity person who issued the press

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release and they don't even know when

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the release dates gonna be so we'll just

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have to wait and see like everybody else

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but you know along with the press

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release they put out a very brief

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trailer showing a little bit of this

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show you get a sense of well not really

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much so yeah Brian what what did you

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think when you read the press release

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and saw the trailer for this new show

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honestly man it's it's kind of it's what

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T TSA is known for there they teased a

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lot and you just have to wait and see

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and be patient I mean you know it's cool

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to see Elizondo so passionate in the

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trailer

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I wish they'd showed along

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that's what I'm looking forward to if

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he's actually in this show I want to see

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DeLong's passion and excitement for UFO

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so I want to see that like on camera

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because he's been he's been I I would

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assume put in the background for for

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obvious reasons his early interviews

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were yeah we won't go there but yeah I'm

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looking forward to seeing Tom DeLonge be

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a part of this and what he thinks of all

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of it and and I'm hoping that we'll

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finally get some new videos I mean I'm

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sure some of these episodes will involve

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the videos we've already seen gimbal

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footage and the nimitz encounter but um

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hopefully we're gonna get some new stuff

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with this series hi-oh I mean judging on

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the press release Tom will be in it and

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I agree with you I would really like for

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people to see that and you know this is

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a I guess a good way for Tom and his

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passion to be presented to the world

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because this is a nice polished so it's

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gonna be good and you know I don't fault

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Tom he he's incredibly passionate about

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this topic and when he talks about it

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that comes through he gets really

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excited really animated and just kind of

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goes off so I think having this be a you

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know a produced show sort of being able

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to edit that down and in real a man a

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little bit he's gonna be beneficial to

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really convey that that excitement and

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passion appropriately yeah you know it's

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also interesting the word trustworthy in

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the press release that it's it's

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fascinating that they would put that in

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there you know I mean I a lot of us

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don't quote unquote trust the government

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so when we hear about these intelligence

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people being involved in the show I

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found it really interesting that they

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use that word trustworthy in the

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official press release little odd it's a

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little odd I I noticed that two plus one

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of their statements was the

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received government taboo on you know

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UFOs I mean I think it's more than just

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perceived it's a pretty proven fact that

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there's a taboo on UFOs and the

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government so kind of interesting the

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way they worded that and you know maybe

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this is part of this show and this angle

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is how you know they're gonna they're

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making efforts to change government

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policy you know and and that's kind of

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nothing you've really ever seen in any

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UFO show so I mean the nature of this

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and what they do what they have to work

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with should produce a different kind of

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show you know it's not UFO Hunters not

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hang or what I mean I'll be really

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interested in what the look and feel of

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this is yeah and it is I think you're

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you're both right it is very curious and

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it is I think important to look at the

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intentional wording used in the press

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release I mean you don't need to go nuts

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with it but you should pay attention to

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how things are worded it's again first

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of all this show for anybody who follows

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the developments of to the stars into

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the Stars Academy the show shouldn't be

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a surprise to anybody we've been

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essentially told about this show for

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some time now and it seems to

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incorporate many of the the elements

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that to the Stars Academy has told us

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they've been working on so it's got all

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these things set up for us that we've

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been told about and been waiting for so

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it will be great to see it finally come

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to fruition something else that

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shouldn't be a surprise to anybody who

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is familiar with you the Stars Academy

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is that it is very pro-government in

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pro-military

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and that's something that you know Tom

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is firmly behind you know being very

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supportive of our military and our

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government and you know believing that

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they're not the bad guys in this whole

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UFO thing totally I'm reading secret

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machines for the first time right now

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and if that's not a you know an obvious

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pro-military thing I don't know what is

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absolutely yeah and I mean you can see

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that and you know conspiracy people can

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have a field day with this and people

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who you know have just dismissed

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to the Stars Academy outright you know

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can have a field day with this to see

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you know with their theories that

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they're just a front for disinformation

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you know this whole in bed with the the

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government and in the military I mean

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just look at the the newest merchandise

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released by Tom's band Angels and

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Airwaves you know it's it's military

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themed right it's literally military no

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conspiracy people could have a field day

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with this stuff but I don't think people

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should read that much into it but it's

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interesting that you know there is sort

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of everything seemingly thrown into this

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show from trying to change government

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policy to testing evidence to showing

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photos to having new government

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testimony you know it's sort of a

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hodgepodge of everything from UFOs and

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and certainly things that have been done

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in the past you know these are all

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things and in sort of pieces from this

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project and pieces from that project all

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kind of coming together in this one

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project that is I will remind you only

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six episodes so yeah interesting to see

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how all of this gets slammed into six

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episodes well you know reminds me of oh

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I'm sorry sure no go ahead go ahead I

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was gonna say it reminds me of Project

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Blue Book like they don't know if

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they're gonna get another shot and oh

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that's a good point oh so maybe history

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later or what not so you know throw the

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baby in with the bathwater now but yeah

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it'll be interesting to see how they can

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condense all this stuff that they've

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done and plan to do in six episodes

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that's crazy to me one of the things I

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noticed too was they comment on in the

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press release that they were going to

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try and help understand the extensive

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breakthroughs in the technology of UFOs

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and that that kind of reminds me of you

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know the tts a state of purpose in the

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beginning that you know how they wanted

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to you know try and figure out that

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technology and apply it in some way

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like they were gonna build that craft

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for example so that's kind of

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interesting and different that no one

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else is really done you know next you

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know an extensive attempt to understand

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the technology you know apart from you

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know who is it and why are they here but

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hey let's well let us get the thing that

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we do have in our hot little hands you

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know the evidence video whatever it may

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be and you know trying to figure out how

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these things work so you know I'm in the

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engineering field and I kind of love

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that you know just I'm always so curious

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how do things work you know and you know

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can we figure this out and replicate or

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whatever so I'm kind of looking forward

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to that edge or spinning it if they do

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include it right and a lot of people

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think that that's what a tip was created

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for in the first place you know it

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wasn't to look at aliens or or even UFOs

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it was to you know take the evidence we

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have of aerial threats and try to

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replicate the technology we're seeing so

544
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,200
this is literally like a tip on TV it no

545
00:23:28,420 --> 00:23:26,000
it is that's exactly what I thought too

546
00:23:30,430 --> 00:23:28,430
this all the thing I think dad like

547
00:23:32,980 --> 00:23:30,440
eight stated purposes throughout that

548
00:23:35,710 --> 00:23:32,990
thing I counted and you can almost just

549
00:23:38,170 --> 00:23:35,720
tick the boxes off as though that's a

550
00:23:40,510 --> 00:23:38,180
tip you know it's cool so yeah that is

551
00:23:42,370 --> 00:23:40,520
cool yeah it'll be fun to see what comes

552
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,380
of all of this I think no matter what

553
00:23:46,420 --> 00:23:44,480
this show looks like it's gonna have

554
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:46,430
good information and you know we'll

555
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,250
finally see the eye I think very hard

556
00:23:55,780 --> 00:23:51,440
and worthwhile work that to the Stars

557
00:23:59,020 --> 00:23:55,790
Academy is doing I will say that the

558
00:24:02,800 --> 00:23:59,030
most peculiar thing I noticed in the

559
00:24:07,770 --> 00:24:02,810
press release was the name of the show

560
00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:07,780
and this is the only show I've ever seen

561
00:24:12,940 --> 00:24:10,910
displayed or written out where they have

562
00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:12,950
the title of the show listed as

563
00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:17,350
trademark Oh was tied with unidentified

564
00:24:23,970 --> 00:24:21,110
inside America's UFO investigation TM TM

565
00:24:27,220 --> 00:24:23,980
[Laughter]

566
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:27,230
is just not done it's not you know how

567
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:29,690
ants are done with names of shows and

568
00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:32,240
press releases never do that so seeing

569
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,710
that like just reading the press release

570
00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:35,200
it was very jarring I wasn't

571
00:24:40,919 --> 00:24:38,769
what's going on here it's weird yeah hmm

572
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:40,929
I didn't know you could like do that I

573
00:24:45,930 --> 00:24:43,500
mean I know you can you can trademark

574
00:24:49,139 --> 00:24:45,940
anything if you really want to but the

575
00:24:50,669 --> 00:24:49,149
title of a TV show it's interesting and

576
00:24:53,870 --> 00:24:50,679
I mean it sort of goes without saying

577
00:24:56,820 --> 00:24:53,880
and certainly the copyright too but yeah

578
00:24:59,820 --> 00:24:56,830
visually display the TM right there

579
00:25:02,549 --> 00:24:59,830
after every mention of the title was

580
00:25:07,049 --> 00:25:02,559
kind of strange laughs yeah I don't like

581
00:25:08,399 --> 00:25:07,059
that they gotta get rid of that sure

582
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,409
that like on the screen like in the

583
00:25:16,259 --> 00:25:10,480
title card to you and everything to you

584
00:25:18,090 --> 00:25:16,269
I own this well I what of these a

585
00:25:20,190 --> 00:25:18,100
hundred different elements of this show

586
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:20,200
are you guys looking forward to the most

587
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:22,990
for me it's definitely uh the atom

588
00:25:28,169 --> 00:25:25,360
project that thing has been stagnant for

589
00:25:29,789 --> 00:25:28,179
a while now and we haven't really heard

590
00:25:31,710 --> 00:25:29,799
a lot about what's going on with that

591
00:25:33,779 --> 00:25:31,720
these materials that they're testing and

592
00:25:38,490 --> 00:25:33,789
you know having just done that myself

593
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,500
and being so dumb about it like I I know

594
00:25:42,210 --> 00:25:40,240
nothing about how to properly test

595
00:25:44,009 --> 00:25:42,220
things I assume that the people I was

596
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:44,019
working with were doing it right so I

597
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:46,240
want to see how they do it I want to see

598
00:25:50,730 --> 00:25:47,679
what they come up with and they have

599
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:50,740
said that they've found some extremely

600
00:25:57,149 --> 00:25:54,880
like revolutionary stuff so yeah we'll

601
00:26:00,419 --> 00:25:57,159
see what happens let me just throw out a

602
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:00,429
wild question here just for the sake of

603
00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:04,330
conversation you both mentioned that you

604
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:06,190
know reading this it sounds like

605
00:26:11,460 --> 00:26:09,730
essentially a chap on TV what are your

606
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:11,470
thoughts about the possibility that this

607
00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:18,360
that's a good question yeah good Jay I

608
00:26:24,930 --> 00:26:21,340
mean TTS a in itself I mean is a

609
00:26:29,879 --> 00:26:24,940
composite of you know entertainment

610
00:26:32,129 --> 00:26:29,889
science and intelligence and so it would

611
00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:32,139
not be unreasonable to assume that this

612
00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:35,710
is really part of that model and and in

613
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:38,230
fact I've I kind of look forward to it

614
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:42,010
if in fact this TV show ends up being

615
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:45,970
sort of a you know the process by which

616
00:26:50,350 --> 00:26:48,050
a tip works

617
00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:50,360
you know how you you start with evidence

618
00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:53,510
how they analyze that evidence and then

619
00:26:57,580 --> 00:26:55,790
you know ultimately the the conclusions

620
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:57,590
that they make you know almost like them

621
00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:00,320
you know almost like an investigation

622
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:03,110
you know a twosie I mean I don't know if

623
00:27:06,250 --> 00:27:04,610
it's going to end up being that but I

624
00:27:09,549 --> 00:27:06,260
would be interested to see that you know

625
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:09,559
how does it's like a sneak peek into how

626
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:12,050
does a government UFO program really

627
00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:14,570
work right we just we are all familiar

628
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,390
with Blue Book but but you know we know

629
00:27:22,810 --> 00:27:20,240
that was largely a you know public

630
00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:22,820
relations effort more than a scientific

631
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:25,070
study so if it ends up being that that'd

632
00:27:29,980 --> 00:27:27,290
be fine by me I'd be quite interested to

633
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:29,990
see how it works yeah Jason do you mean

634
00:27:35,650 --> 00:27:33,410
like I mean like it is a chip like

635
00:27:40,930 --> 00:27:35,660
officially it is a part of the

636
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:40,940
government's project because has been

637
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:43,090
telling us is that you know officially

638
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:45,370
2012 it ended but nudge-nudge wink-wink

639
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:49,610
it still continues yeah that's a really

640
00:27:54,940 --> 00:27:52,010
good point this could be it and you know

641
00:27:57,340 --> 00:27:54,950
in the public you know being the ones

642
00:28:00,850 --> 00:27:57,350
who invested in this company we now are

643
00:28:03,010 --> 00:28:00,860
in on the project which is really cool

644
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,020
if that's the case I think you know

645
00:28:06,790 --> 00:28:05,120
finally we're part of it you know a

646
00:28:09,610 --> 00:28:06,800
secret when I was in the Pentagon now

647
00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:09,620
it's open to the public but elizondo's

648
00:28:14,890 --> 00:28:11,929
gonna take like you said take those

649
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,900
components of a tip and now do it for

650
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:17,600
all of us you know through entertainment

651
00:28:21,580 --> 00:28:20,809
and mainstream media so yeah I'm all for

652
00:28:23,740 --> 00:28:21,590
it let's do it

653
00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:23,750
yeah maybe that's what one was talking

654
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:25,670
about we're like oh well now I get it

655
00:28:31,540 --> 00:28:29,330
yeah yeah yeah no it certainly could be

656
00:28:33,910 --> 00:28:31,550
it's interesting and and you know all

657
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:33,920
this is fun and exciting just to kind of

658
00:28:38,530 --> 00:28:35,570
sit back and observe and see how it all

659
00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:38,540
unfolds and it's certainly giving us

660
00:28:45,310 --> 00:28:41,750
given us plenty to talk talk about as we

661
00:28:47,290 --> 00:28:45,320
watch all of this and I just think I do

662
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:47,300
believe that a lot of these efforts are

663
00:28:53,380 --> 00:28:50,210
helping to move things forward certainly

664
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:53,390
you know every little bit helps and not

665
00:28:59,409 --> 00:28:57,200
everybody has to support 100% anything

666
00:29:01,140 --> 00:28:59,419
that any of us do right but I do hope

667
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:01,150
people give it a fair shake

668
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:02,559
and watch the show when it comes out and

669
00:29:08,340 --> 00:29:05,650
then they can support or badmouth all

670
00:29:10,890 --> 00:29:08,350
they want after seeing what actually is

671
00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:10,900
produced but I think it will be cool to

672
00:29:13,890 --> 00:29:12,790
see some stuff actually produced and

673
00:29:16,350 --> 00:29:13,900
like you said about the atom project

674
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:16,360
Ryan I think I think we talked about

675
00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:18,370
that when it was announced initially and

676
00:29:22,830 --> 00:29:20,380
in to us it sounded like that was

677
00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:22,840
essentially created for the purpose of

678
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:25,990
being a TV show so yeah seems like that

679
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:28,930
may be actually the case I hope so man I

680
00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:30,730
hope so I can't wait and you know all

681
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:32,350
the naysayers are to the Stars and

682
00:29:36,060 --> 00:29:34,510
everything you know they're still gonna

683
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,070
watch it it's the same with Blue Book

684
00:29:40,410 --> 00:29:38,320
all these people who pood Blue Book they

685
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:40,420
were watching this yeah you can't unless

686
00:29:47,850 --> 00:29:45,610
you watch it yeah yeah break it down and

687
00:29:51,299 --> 00:29:47,860
destroy it like you are still watching

688
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:51,309
it so I'm super stoked that can't wait

689
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:53,679
for me I know I'm super excited to you

690
00:29:57,450 --> 00:29:54,910
and what helpfully more information

691
00:29:59,340 --> 00:29:57,460
comes out about it soon so we know

692
00:30:08,060 --> 00:29:59,350
exactly when may but all we can say

693
00:30:11,419 --> 00:30:10,099
well citizens as we wrap up this episode

694
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700
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as a favor friends always treat the UFO

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733
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responsible skepticism it deserves

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question everything have the courage to

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form your own opinions keep truth as the

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focus of your quest even if the truth

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conflicts with your opinions and of

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course stay strange